User talk:Adamant1

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Trougnouf (talk) 23:17, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@Trougnouf: What did I say in the DR and how many times did you continue responding to me after that? "I said I'm fine leaving it to whomever closes this. So I'd appreciate it if we just left it there." You then replied to me 3 times after that, 4 if you count the ANU complaint. And I'm the one not being civil or respectful. Right. You should really stop lying and move on like I told you to. --Adamant1 (talk) 23:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Please don't ...

Things like this are out of scope. Creator pages are not templates, they are full formed pages. If a person is a legitimate creator, they are typically useful, and deleting them is typically not useful.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:31, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: We have almost zero chance of hosting any media created by the person because their works are copyrighted. I forget where I read it, but I was under the impression that it's pointless to have a creator template for someone if we aren't going to have any files they created to use the template on in the first place. Or am I wrong about that? In the slightest it just seems totally pointless if not encouraging COPYVIO. --Adamant1 (talk) 13:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

BTW, one of the issues with keeping creator templates for people where we have almost zero chance of hosting works created by them because of issues with copyright is that we end up with empty categories like Category:Ernest Albert (Belgian painter). Which, I assume, can't be deleted because of the creator templates. I'd like a solution to that if your going to keep the creator templates. --Adamant1 (talk) 14:05, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Commons:Creator and Commons:Deletion policy. Follow the policy, please don't falsely apply for speedy deletion. It is the admins who cop it in the neck for speedy deleting something that shouldn't be, so I am here asking.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: Commons:Creator pretty clearly says "Creator pages are templates meant to be transcluded into files." So if there's no files for the creator template to be translcluded into because the person's works are copyrighted there's no point in having the creator template. On top of that Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion#Template clearly has T2 as a speedy deletion speedy deletion criteria, ergo "Unused templates (except maintenance/project templates that are substituted), are subjected to speedy deletion."

From what I understand creator templates aren't "maintenance/project templates that are substituted." So I really don't really see what issue is here. The policies literally say unused templates are subject to speedy deletion and that the purpose of creator templates is to "to be transcluded into files." How about you tell me what you disagree with or think is wrong about that instead of just baselessly treating me like what I'm doing is false and/or doesn't follow policy? --Adamant1 (talk) 00:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

BTW, just to add to that Commons:Creator#Who should have a creator page also states "Any known creator of works hosted on Commons" and "Any known historic creator whose works on Commons are in the public domain due to copyright expiration" should have creator templates. There's also this line below that under Commons:Creator#Who should not have a creator page "People who are not, and are unlikely to ever be, creators of works hosted on Commons." Which I assume would apply to people who's works aren't likely to be hosted here because they are copyrighted for the next couple of decades or more. Again though, your free to tell me what you think is wrong about any of that. Otherwise I don't think there's an issue here. --Adamant1 (talk) 00:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)